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Message 106294 - Posted: 27 May 2022, 14:18:53 UTC - in response to Message 106292.  

I also like the way the width of the monitors is of no use. Bring back 4:3! 16:9 is for TVs!

I love 16:9 on my 25 inch, it's better than 16:10 for running 2 programs side by side (or three when troubleshooting logs, webclient and server side) .

That said, I've got a weird scheduling issue with my client. I have jobs that need to report before x but those jobs are not always the ones that get initiated when another job finishes. This leads to jobs reporting past their due date and I'm not sure whether that invalidates them.

Screenshot (sorted by report before date): https://imgur.com/a/wbHnfzf
There's 2 jobs that need to report before 28-5 6 am, and 2 that need to report before 11:30 am but there are 4 jobs running that need to report before 28-5 3:30pm and later.


Have you actually had jobs miss deadlines?

Boinc will choose which job to run based on your preferred resource share until and unless there are jobs in danger of missing their deadline when it will switch to running the late jobs as high priority
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Message 106295 - Posted: 27 May 2022, 14:39:47 UTC - in response to Message 80621.  

I have a Rosetta@home task, rosetta python projects 1.03 (vbox64), that has been running for over four days. It is two days past its deadline. Today it is now showing 00:00:00 Remaining. The task is showing very little use of CPU time in Activity Monitor. Will this task ever end? It took over two days to go from 00:00:04 to 00:00:00 Remaining. Should I just abort the task?

TASK PROPERTIES:

Application
rosetta python projects 1.03 (vbox64)
Name
aagb-NMABU-mPHE-mACHC13T-mACPenC12T_pp_6_2667468_6
State
Running
Received
Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 08:49:12 AM
Report deadline
Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 08:49:12 AM
Estimated computation size
80,000 GFLOPs
CPU time
00:33:11
CPU time since checkpoint
00:00:01
Elapsed time
4d 11:58:29
Estimated time remaining
00:00:00
Fraction done
100.000%
Virtual memory size
65.57 GB
Working set size
2.79 GB
Directory
slots/2
Process ID
16253
Progress rate
1.080% per hour
Executable
vboxwrapper_26199_x86_64-apple-darwin
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Message 106299 - Posted: 27 May 2022, 18:40:38 UTC - in response to Message 106294.  

I also like the way the width of the monitors is of no use. Bring back 4:3! 16:9 is for TVs!

I love 16:9 on my 25 inch, it's better than 16:10 for running 2 programs side by side (or three when troubleshooting logs, webclient and server side) .

That said, I've got a weird scheduling issue with my client. I have jobs that need to report before x but those jobs are not always the ones that get initiated when another job finishes. This leads to jobs reporting past their due date and I'm not sure whether that invalidates them.

Screenshot (sorted by report before date): https://imgur.com/a/wbHnfzf
There's 2 jobs that need to report before 28-5 6 am, and 2 that need to report before 11:30 am but there are 4 jobs running that need to report before 28-5 3:30pm and later.


Have you actually had jobs miss deadlines?

Boinc will choose which job to run based on your preferred resource share until and unless there are jobs in danger of missing their deadline when it will switch to running the late jobs as high priority

Yeah, but I cancelled a few of those to keep it going. I'm unsure whether the overdue jobs would actually be useful which is why I cancelled them.
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Message 106300 - Posted: 27 May 2022, 18:44:39 UTC - in response to Message 106299.  

I had one rosetta python job miss deadline, but it still was accepted when i reported it.
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Message 106301 - Posted: 27 May 2022, 18:48:44 UTC - in response to Message 106295.  

I have a Rosetta@home task, rosetta python projects 1.03 (vbox64), that has been running for over four days. It is two days past its deadline. Today it is now showing 00:00:00 Remaining. The task is showing very little use of CPU time in Activity Monitor. Will this task ever end? It took over two days to go from 00:00:04 to 00:00:00 Remaining. Should I just abort the task?

TASK PROPERTIES:

Application
rosetta python projects 1.03 (vbox64)
Name
aagb-NMABU-mPHE-mACHC13T-mACPenC12T_pp_6_2667468_6

Look at these two parts:

CPU time
00:33:11

Elapsed time
4d 11:58:29

When the elapsed time gets hours more than the CPU time, the task is no longer doing anything useful, so you might as well abort it,

Some difference between the two is normal, but not that much.
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Message 106302 - Posted: 27 May 2022, 23:23:02 UTC - in response to Message 106294.  

Boinc will choose which job to run based on your preferred resource share until and unless there are jobs in danger of missing their deadline when it will switch to running the late jobs as high priority
No, Boinc uses no common sense when deciding to run anything. For example, I have 100 4-core tasks queued on a 4-core machine, plus 3 1-core tasks. So it quite sensibly uses the 4-core tasks to keep the whole CPU busy. But at some point, those 3 1-core tasks have to be done. So what does it do? Runs them at the same time as a 4-core task, and at the very last minute, so they would just be done in time if the 4-core one wasn't there. Obviously, they end up being returned late.
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Message 106303 - Posted: 27 May 2022, 23:24:04 UTC - in response to Message 106292.  

I love 16:9 on my 25 inch, it's better than 16:10 for running 2 programs side by side (or three when troubleshooting logs, webclient and server side) .
So you're basically using it like two monitors. I prefer two monitors. Or an ultrawide which is effectively two 4:3s, it's 16:6.
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Message 106304 - Posted: 28 May 2022, 0:02:19 UTC

I have seen some of the ultra wide monitors/TV`s on the web , it must be like looking at the world through a letterbox .
nice , but expensive .
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Message 106305 - Posted: 28 May 2022, 0:05:56 UTC - in response to Message 106304.  

I have seen some of the ultra wide monitors/TV`s on the web , it must be like looking at the world through a letterbox .
nice , but expensive .
My point exactly. 4:3 was ideal for computers. An ultrawide is just two 4:3s together without a gap. That's what they use in hospitals for heart monitors etc. 16:9 is nice to look at for watching a film, or maybe playing a game, but beyond useless for anything like word processing or browsing the internet, where height is more important than width. I can't believe they've stopped making them!
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Message 106306 - Posted: 28 May 2022, 7:28:16 UTC - in response to Message 106303.  

I love 16:9 on my 25 inch, it's better than 16:10 for running 2 programs side by side (or three when troubleshooting logs, webclient and server side) .
So you're basically using it like two monitors. I prefer two monitors. Or an ultrawide which is effectively two 4:3s, it's 16:6.

With the added benefit of being able to use the display as 1 for apps that require more width than half the screen (like SoapUI).
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Message 106307 - Posted: 28 May 2022, 7:28:19 UTC - in response to Message 106303.  
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[edit
doublepost :(
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Message 106310 - Posted: 28 May 2022, 10:19:00 UTC - in response to Message 106305.  

I think Dell still makes them.
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Message 106311 - Posted: 28 May 2022, 10:31:46 UTC - in response to Message 106267.  

does .out file in c:programdataboincslots[slot number here]shared change?

Sorry, I didn't see this, but neither do I know what .out file I should look at, nor what slot it was running in, nor know if or how it might've changed.
Task aborted now - I assume the info has gone now?

To find the slot number click on the task in the tasks column, them on properties.

The info is gone shortly after the output files are uploaded and the task is reported as finished.

The probable change to look for is any change to the dates and size of the .out file.

If there is more than out .out file in the slot directory, look for changes in the dates or size in all of them.

Of course, thanks. I'll bear that in mind for next time.
When I get home tomorrow I'll look at my current tasks as well, just for a bit of practice at what I should expect to see
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Message 106312 - Posted: 28 May 2022, 10:34:26 UTC - in response to Message 106268.  

you can copy out file twice waiting several minutes between copies and then compare two copies with winmerge

Right. I'd kind of already decided what I was going to do in that particular case, but I'll bear it in mind if there's a next time
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Message 106315 - Posted: 28 May 2022, 20:20:47 UTC - in response to Message 106307.  

[edit
doublepost :(
Edit it to contain two space characters and it will vanish.
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Message 106316 - Posted: 28 May 2022, 20:21:35 UTC - in response to Message 106310.  

I think Dell still makes them.
I don't see any here: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=dell+4%3A3+monitor&t=opera&iax=shopping&ia=shopping
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Message 106318 - Posted: 28 May 2022, 20:23:45 UTC - in response to Message 106316.  

I thought you were talking about 16:10 monitors
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Message 106319 - Posted: 28 May 2022, 20:28:45 UTC - in response to Message 106318.  

I thought you were talking about 16:10 monitors
No, I don't recall mentioning them. I like 4:3, or at a push an ultrawide which is two 4:3s.

Dell have always made odd stuff, they used to do monitors squarer than 4:3. 3.5:3?
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Message 106322 - Posted: 29 May 2022, 0:01:02 UTC
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As with many things ,
just search for it on Ebay ;-)
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Message 106323 - Posted: 29 May 2022, 0:45:31 UTC - in response to Message 106322.  

As with many things ,
just search for it on Ebay ;-)
First place I looked, I used to get second hand 4:3s on there. Now I can only find free ones occasionally on freecycle, I HATE WIDESCREEN! Widescreen is for televisions, NOT COMPUTERS!
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